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Post by dewfus on Jan 19, 2017 9:24:30 GMT -5
I've been hearing some complaints about some problems going on in game. I've already warned Nash and Nails and we are all in agreement that it has to stop. The latest is about a tame being killed because it was on the volcano and they had a structure around to protect it.
First, and foremost. If you are not an admin, you are not the judge, jury, and executioner of this server, or it's rules. If someone is breaking the rules, you can message any of the admins on steam, and we will handle it accordingly.
It is not your place, to ruin someone else's gaming experience because you THINK they are breaking the rules. You can message an admin, and we'll handle it. Never kill someone else's base/dinos/tames. Ever. This is a PVE Server, and killing someone else's tame/training mobs on to them/their base/dinos, is griefing, and you will be banned for it.
I had ran across someone last week who had built a 'taming' pen, to protect their tame, and had left it, I simply asked them to come remove the structures, yes, I could've admin destroyed them, but that's not the point. They came over, removed all the structures, and everything was fine.
You are allowed to protect your tames, and build up a smallish structures to do so, but as soon as it is tamed, the structures must be removed.
Nash had brought this up a while back, if we have to destroy structures left from someone taming, we're going to pick a random dino of that tribe and destroy it too.
If I hear of someone killing someone else's tame intentionally, I don't care what your reasoning is, the best you can hope for is having some dinos removed. That's the best case scenario.
We're a good, close knit community, we should be helping each other out, not trying to destroy each other. If you want that go play on a pvp server, or a different server all together, because this one obviously isn't for you.
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Post by Nails on Jan 19, 2017 10:43:54 GMT -5
Well said Dew.
The additional issue(s) that occurred last night have been dealt with directly with those involved. Admins will be discussing the need to include a new server rule regarding "calling out" wild dino tames in general chat and the need to begin taming within a specific time frame.
This rule has never been included here since it's been generally accepted that if someone calls out a dino, it's theirs. Apparently there have been some who have "claimed" every wild dino announced in general chat.
Due to these wild dino taming issues the admins will also reevaluate the upcoming anniversary events.
Specifically the "AAH Safari" will likely be canceled since we can't all play nice with each other.
~Evil-admin Nails
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Post by Tavvy on Jan 19, 2017 11:03:22 GMT -5
Due to these wild dino taming issues the admins will also reevaluate the upcoming anniversary events.
Specifically the "AAH Safari" will likely be canceled since we can't all play nice with each other. ~Evil-admin Nails
I wanted to comment on this from a 'fairness' perspective (keep in mind I do not intend to participate due to my current gaming schedule). It's it really acceptable to remove an event from the entire server when one person (or tribe) is the cause? As opposed to just reaching out to that person/tribe indicating their participation would not be acceptable for the event? (or perhaps they can participate just not accept the reward, if you wanted to be nice) I agree with Dew and can say that I've been on both sides (accidentally messing up a tame, and having my tame get messed up) But typically we have been able to resolve said issues in Local chat without any problems. Example: when I messed up someones tame I gave them kibble, narcos, and tranqs for it and told them to let it wake up and heal inside a pen they built while it was still knocked out. It should note however, I have seen various times - typically early in the morning (4am-6am EST) - where someone asks if an admin is on when none are. It should be reiterated that the forums are the proper place to request an admin if one is not in-game. If it's a particularly sensitive matter, private messages are the alternate way to go. Is there a thread which has information on the current admins? I took a break soon after Dew/Swol/Dave were appointed.
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Post by Nails on Jan 19, 2017 11:23:53 GMT -5
Due to these wild dino taming issues the admins will also reevaluate the upcoming anniversary events.
Specifically the "AAH Safari" will likely be canceled since we can't all play nice with each other. ~Evil-admin Nails
I wanted to comment on this from a 'fairness' perspective (keep in mind I do not intend to participate due to my current gaming schedule). It's it really acceptable to remove an event from the entire server when one person (or tribe) is the cause? As opposed to just reaching out to that person/tribe indicating their participation would not be acceptable for the event? (or perhaps they can participate just not accept the reward, if you wanted to be nice) I agree with Dew and can say that I've been on both sides (accidentally messing up a tame, and having my tame get messed up) But typically we have been able to resolve said issues in Local chat without any problems. Example: when I messed up someones tame I gave them kibble, narcos, and tranqs for it and told them to let it wake up and heal inside a pen they built while it was still knocked out. It should note however, I have seen various times - typically early in the morning (4am-6am EST) - where someone asks if an admin is on when none are. It should be reiterated that the forums are the proper place to request an admin if one is not in-game. If it's a particularly sensitive matter, private messages are the alternate way to go. Is there a thread which has information on the current admins? I took a break soon after Dew/Swol/Dave were appointed.
The events are the admins way of thanking our community and bringing us together. I'm a proponent of making our players happy. Similar to the volcano forge (that was removed due to complaining (RIP)). These events are a privilege.The incident that Dew is referring to is not isolated and not simply one, two or even three people. It's several. The AAH Safari will have the admins releasing 150 dinos into the wild. Since there have been several problems with players either interfering with tames or fighting over a wild tame. Releasing more wild dinos for people to fight over could exacerbate this already tense issue and frankly I don't have the time nor the inclination to adjudicate each and every minor disagreement. At this time, the AAH Safari event has NOT been canceled. |
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Post by dewfus on Jan 19, 2017 12:01:39 GMT -5
I know what you mean Tavvy, I do have accidentally screwed up someone else's tame and have had it happen to me. We apologize and make amends, no problem, accidents happen. What I was referring to was someone purposely going and killing someones tame, because they thought they were breaking the rules. That is not acceptable.
Yes, if someone breaks the rules, and we're not around, send us a PM on the forums. We'll handle it. Same goes if it's something simple that you need an admin for, send us a PM or make a post (do not call out players in posts). If they get some uber perfect tame, and we find out it was done against the rules, we will remove the dino, we're good like that. We don't need someone to 'step up' and kill the tame and thinking they did it right.
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Post by Tavvy on Jan 19, 2017 13:44:03 GMT -5
Similar to the volcano forge (that was removed due to complaining (RIP)). These events are a privilege. Bummer, was looking forward to that this map, especially since I'm taking it slow and that we're back on the island. All of your points make sense (regarding what I am not quoting in your above message) I was mostly questioning the wording. and Dew, not saying accidental and purposeful are the same - just the frustration of having an interference in the taming process as a whole.  Even with 5x taming it is still a PITA process with ARK in my opinion. But I digress~ |
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Post by Nails on Jan 19, 2017 14:23:29 GMT -5
Similar to the volcano forge (that was removed due to complaining (RIP)). These events are a privilege. Bummer, was looking forward to that this map, especially since I'm taking it slow and that we're back on the island. All of your points make sense (regarding what I am not quoting in your above message) I was mostly questioning the wording. and Dew, not saying accidental and purposeful are the same - just the frustration of having an interference in the taming process as a whole. Even with 5x taming it is still a PITA process with ARK in my opinion. But I digress~ Agreed. It's a shame. |
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Post by dewfus on Jan 19, 2017 14:55:26 GMT -5
Similar to the volcano forge (that was removed due to complaining (RIP)). These events are a privilege. Bummer, was looking forward to that this map, especially since I'm taking it slow and that we're back on the island. All of your points make sense (regarding what I am not quoting in your above message) I was mostly questioning the wording. and Dew, not saying accidental and purposeful are the same - just the frustration of having an interference in the taming process as a whole. Even with 5x taming it is still a PITA process with ARK in my opinion. But I digress~ Oh I know lol I was just reiterating my point, accidents happen, it sucks, but the event i'm referring to was done intentionally. |
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Post by Dino Dave on Jan 19, 2017 16:19:10 GMT -5
Rise of The Green Party?
For as long as I've known and been a part of the AAH community, it's just been a bunch of people logged on to the same machine at bluefang to have fun. That's the only purpose here, to have fun. Not for players to claim what's theirs, not to win at the expense of others, not to be a vigilante or conquer anything but the PvE goals provided by our common game here, ARK. Sometimes though, a new player comes over from a PvP server, or a toxic official server run like a League of Legends bucket o' hate and they're taken aback by the unexpected responses on AAH.
Not every gaming community is like AAH. Sadly, it's probably in the minority. For whatever reasons, when people know they're anonymous, the negative emotions start flowing. They start behaving like they need more fiber in their diet or they're compensating for something. People making the mistaken, but seductive belief that skill at a game or real-time response to an in-game environment has any bearing on who someone is as a person. In the healthy gaming communities of the world none of this even fucking matters. We're here to have fun. Even if we were fighting against each other and destroying bases that took weeks to build, we're logging into this same little computer in New York to have fun. Thankfully, in game, we're basically all friends, it's PvE. The excuses for rudeness don't even exist. Everyone can win, there's no zero-sum, everyone can have everything they need as long as they can remember we're just here to have fun.
Early last year, the leader of my WoW guild, Twilight Chapter, asked me to be an officer in the guild. This wasn't a fun thing. We had a dearth of leadership in a guild approaching 1,000 members. We had three, sometimes four raid teams running cutting-edge content every week and a legacy of guild management services to provide stretching back nearly ten years. I was online a lot and seemed to not be an idiot at least, so he asked me to help out a little.
Several months ago Nash asked me under similar circumstances, if scaled down for ARK, to be an admin here, help out a little. I said yes(when I finally could) for the same reason I said yes to my guild leader. I agreed to take on the pita "priveledges" of helping out, helping keep things running smooth. I agreed for one reason only in both cases... people are having fun here.
The norm in video games is to bounce between communities, or not even attempt to find a place where you can call home. People have spent their entire video game lives so far never having found a group of online-only friends they can really let their guard down with and not have to settle into the meta-game of being as toxic as everyone else or being blind to the same shit.
The Twilight Chapter Communities, the Star Citizen Communities, the Ark Against Humanity Communities of the world are good things, when good things aren't the norm. Remember that. It's not about what we should or shouldn't do, what the rules are, or who's doing what. That's why the admins agreed to be admins, that's what we're here for, we worry about that. The member's job is to have fun. Play ARK. That little machine @ Bluefang Solutions, in that server rack somewhere in New York, is gonna keep chugging away, keeping our dinos alive in base, keeping the therizino's creepy, keeping the giga's lurking in the mountains, and keeping a port open for us to play on whether we're having fun or grasping at each other's throats.
Let's do ourselves a favor and keep The Island green. It doesn't need our toxic waste, our social trash, it's a terrible scary wonderland provided for our enjoyment. Leave the drama-sludge and toxic, argumentative litter at the door, before you connect or alt tab back in. Use the appropriate disposal facilities like forum PM's or private chat's with admins. It'll get taken care of when it can get taken care of. It is what it is. Go back to having fun as we will when the potential toxic spill has been properly contained.
Thank you. We're all just here to have fun. -- DD
P.S.
I only found this out recently myself, but you can PM multiple people at once on these forums. Nash, Nails, LordFail, Dew, DinoDave, all at the same time if you have an issue. Someone should respond, feel free to steer an admin this direction in game chat of course.
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Post by dewfus on Jan 19, 2017 16:24:57 GMT -5
Dave said what I wanted to say, only nicer and more eloquent.
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Post by Dino Dave on Jan 19, 2017 16:32:38 GMT -5
On further talking w/ people I may have missed the point and the actual meaning of "calling out" tho... at least partly lol. It's not as bad as I was thinking maybe  |
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Post by Nails on Jan 19, 2017 17:26:58 GMT -5
Here, here! I needed a hazmat suit last night (and a bottle of bourbon). I didn't have either.  |
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Post by toxicsh0ck on Jan 19, 2017 21:02:17 GMT -5
Nails, how about go ahead with the safari and just disqualify the jerkbags that ruined it for everyone else.
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Post by dewfus on Jan 19, 2017 21:30:44 GMT -5
As of now we are going through with the Safari as Nails noted in his post.
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Post by Nashiq on Jan 20, 2017 1:27:08 GMT -5
This kind of stuff is not going to last because I'll start getting ban happy. Stop acting like children.
DON'T MAKE ME PULL THIS CAR OVER.
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Post by Nails on Jan 20, 2017 12:07:23 GMT -5
As of now we are going through with the Safari as Nails noted in his post. Confirmed. |
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Even with 5x taming it is still a PITA process with ARK in my opinion. But I digress~
