deny
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Post by deny on Jun 4, 2017 17:40:27 GMT -5
Hello fellow AAH people)
Just a food for thought here. How many people have(or want to try) scorched earth?
From what I understand, in order to have a cross-ark unofficial server, one way is for them to be run from the same directory. I understand that the current server probably already has enough load and adding another one would reduce performance.
However, another option is to run two different servers with the same cluster ID, as long as they can access each other's cluster information.
I'm trying to see how many people are potentially interested in playing both(or how many people are against having SE items on the current server). It seems that a server can be rented for 15-20 dollars so if 3-4 people chip in $5/mo for a Scorched Earth, there can be wyverns on AAH)))
I'm relatively new on the server, so I'm just trying to see if there is interest for that. I dont mind paying $40 at the start, which is about a half of the price to rent a server for 6 months.
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Post by islander1 on Jun 6, 2017 11:58:43 GMT -5
There's been talk about doing cross-ark but it entails a lot more work on the admin side - something that is just not doable right now.
Donations are always welcome for THIS server as it is, though. I've donated, I'd hate to see the funding dry up.
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deny
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Post by deny on Jun 8, 2017 17:17:33 GMT -5
I mostly would love to do that so I can play with the SE dinos\items. Would love a mantis for gathering thatch, wyvern as a better argie and ofc jerboa cuz its cute))
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Post by Nails on Jun 8, 2017 21:58:34 GMT -5
I have no problem admining an ARK server cluster, however, there would be some things that would need to happen. -All servers concerned would need to be 100% funded. Funding is the main issue. None of the current admins are willing to host the maps on their own computers. Also, Nashiq does not have the time nor the inclination to be the owner of a cluster. -After playing Scorched Earth I don't think allowing dino transfers is a good idea. A quetz on Scorched Earth is game breaking, a mantis or wyvern on The Island would unbalance things as well. I'd no issue with survivor or item transfers. -All settings would be consistent across all servers. This includes mods. However, I'd be willing to discuss the possibility of running one server with say, Extinction Core or Primitive Plus mod; one mod to change the game. This would allow those of us that want more of a true ARK experience to play on a server w/o "game breaking/changing" mods. NOTE: Some admins would like to see AAH go 100% mod free--stay true to the vanilla game with our current boosts. The idea is to keep the game hard and still allow time for busy people to play, hence the boosts. For those of you new to AAH this has always been the idea behind AAH. S+ has taken AAH far away from these ideals.  With that said, higher boots would be part of the discussion. I personally don't agree with going 100% mod free. I'm of the opinion that we can remove S+ and the pub mod and still true to the core game. Keeping other mods to help the quality of life. I do however think mods like S+ change the game too much and water down the experience. I see people complain that S+ doesn't do this or that. This is ridiculous IMO. #firstworldARKproblems. To summarize a lot of shit would need to change for us to have a cluster, but I'd be willing to play my part as a humble admin. |
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Post by testefy on Jun 9, 2017 2:30:30 GMT -5
Let me know when you want to talk about paying for hosting to add scorched earth to AAH. I would have no problem doing it if there is away we could allow 1 dino transfer to either world.
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Post by don on Jun 9, 2017 8:31:23 GMT -5
we can help as well for the cluster : p big dinos transfer will take away from the experience XD if we allow one dino per server : ( jena will take one of her useless horses to SE map
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Post by testefy on Jun 9, 2017 10:04:49 GMT -5
i think disabling it entirely would be a waste, but allowing 1 dino to transfer would help and make the experience more fun without making it overkill
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Post by subsonic on Jun 9, 2017 10:16:00 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure there's no option to transfer only a certain number of dinos. It's all or nothing.
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Post by don on Jun 9, 2017 11:10:23 GMT -5
?PreventDownloadSurvivors=True
?PreventDownloadItems=True
?PreventDownloadDinos=True
?PreventUploadSurvivors=True
?PreventUploadItems=True
?PreventUploadDinos=True
the only options for transfer currently for cluster servers from my search on google : p 2 second search, so its all or nothing
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Post by testefy on Jun 9, 2017 11:56:52 GMT -5
screw it than, let dino transfers per server. Why should only a few people have a monopoly of server dinos? its not like its easy to tame a dragon by what I see.
don't let people bring items with them. let them bring there dinos, but not there weapons/armor. that will make it not easy
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Post by don on Jun 9, 2017 13:07:39 GMT -5
raising wyverns can only be done in SE since you need the wyvern milk to feed them. IMO i see no difference on dinos or items. High end items can enable you to tame any high lvl dinos. That is something that nails will have to think about and if he agrees on dinos there has to be some rules on what dinos can be transfer , for instance he is right on quetzals they make it so easy on SE
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Post by Nails on Jun 9, 2017 14:58:32 GMT -5
Well, it appears there are enough people willing to donate and help keep both servers going. I'll allow the other admins to weigh in and I shall let everyone know what we can do going forward. Thanks for all the input everyone.
Nice to see the support for expanding our little community.
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Post by testefy on Jun 9, 2017 18:02:20 GMT -5
How long do we have to wait now?
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Post by maji on Jun 9, 2017 18:51:14 GMT -5
How long do we have to wait now? As long as it takes. |
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Post by islander1 on Jun 9, 2017 18:55:43 GMT -5
screw it than, let dino transfers per server. Why should only a few people have a monopoly of server dinos? its not like its easy to tame a dragon by what I see. don't let people bring items with them. let them bring there dinos, but not there weapons/armor. that will make it not easy This is lazy talk. I started here just over two months ago with nothing. I have what I have now from it. Want to expand to include that craptastic Scorched Earth? No problem. Server transfers of dinos between them? No. |
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Post by andarielhalo on Jun 9, 2017 20:28:06 GMT -5
I was on a Scorched Earth server part of a cluster with a lvl 80 character and nothing with me. All the "easy" spawn areas had direwolves and terror birds everywhere. Let people take an animal or something with them.
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Post by Nails on Jun 10, 2017 3:19:12 GMT -5
I was on a Scorched Earth server part of a cluster with a lvl 80 character and nothing with me. All the "easy" spawn areas had direwolves and terror birds everywhere. Let people take an animal or something with them. Scorched Earth is hard, ARK is designed to be hard. Took me several hours and several deaths, but I'm having a blast and cherish every little thing I have. Devs disallowed specific dinos on SE for a reason. A level 80 character with decent fortitude--mines at 24 (very high for me)--would survive just fine with nothing. Starting off I died more from exposure to the elements than dinos. |
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Post by testefy on Jun 11, 2017 8:46:17 GMT -5
Were not all you nails. Listen to the people here and in the server. Everyone is on board with this if we are allowed to take animals with us. We are waiting for an answer.
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Post by Nails on Jun 11, 2017 16:35:32 GMT -5
Were not all you nails. Listen to the people here and in the server. Everyone is on board with this if we are allowed to take animals with us. We are waiting for an answer. "Everyone on this board" is also not just you. I wasn't making a naive generalized statement. Personally, I'm a gamer, I adapt and do my best to overcome the challenges presented to me with any given game. I'm not so arrogant that I think everyone wants to play with a challenge as I do, however that is and always had been the spirit of AAH. Allowing dino transfers into another map changes the dynamics and the balance of that map. The last map we were on (The Center) the server was too easy and people got bored super fast and population died. I don't want that to happen again. ARK at its core is a survival game. I'd rather not volunteer my time as an admin and label a server ARK Against Humanity if it doesn't hold true to the intentions in which this server was opened. I already posted an answer and said I'd be on board with this Testfy, however, I think I'll pass now. Thanks. |
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Post by maji on Jun 11, 2017 18:04:36 GMT -5
Thanks Testefy for speaking for me, when you have no idea what my particular thoughts are.
Here they are: Nails answer = final. He says not at this time, leave it at that. I basically agree with what nails is saying taking away from the spirit of AAH. Only a few select people are "intrigued" by the thought, can't honestly say I haven't been intrigued. But the thought of having a Quetz on SE is game breaking, and it wouldn't appeal to me at all. SE is about the challenge of surviving the harsh desert and thriving well enough to kill the manticore (at least that would be my goal).
I am still having fun on Island. I have no intention of splitting my time up onto another server just to start over. I'm with nails on this one. (Call it a suckup/brown-nosing, w/e, as a past admin myself, I know the strain)
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Post by Nails on Jun 11, 2017 18:21:02 GMT -5
Ultimately I'd like to kill the manticore myself.
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Post by subsonic on Jun 12, 2017 8:19:07 GMT -5
I'll add my 2 cents. I also agree with the inability to transfer dinos. Part of what made SE challenging was the lack of kibble for many desirable dinos, the difficulty of finding prime meat, and the speed at which it spoiled. Granted, this was before Ovis were in the game, but if anything that just makes it a bit easier. Otherwise it's just another map and people will get bored more quickly.
That said, I am not personally interested in an SE server at this time. I've played it already, and I'm going to be offline for just over a month fairly soon anyway, so it's not really the time for me to start something there anyway.
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Post by Tavvy on Jun 12, 2017 15:06:39 GMT -5
I'd like to throw my 2c in.
I tested out some cross-ark server stuff on some servers I had. It works nicely, clustering is easy and managing mods/updates is pretty easy with ark server tools (linux) Overall i think it's a good idea and you can even get fancy with it by having multiple clusters. For example you could have one cluster with mods and one without. Or one cluster could have the island and a cool other map pack.
One major drawback however is server chat. AAH is a pretty tight-knit community and one downside i see to having more servers is the lack of chat. If you are on SE you cannot communicate with those on the island. There would need to be more reliance on forums or some other means for trading materials/dinos.
The other drawback is I'm not sure if Bluefang supports clusters. To setup a cluster with transferring of stuff properly restricted, all ARKs need to be on one set of hardware. You can use multiple servers, but you'd have to force enable transferring to allow people to get their stuff between servers. Then someone could just download an OP dino. So if we wanted clustering, we'd have to use a different provider which would mean a wipe which is hard to justify. (I could just be a Bluefang config noob)
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Post by islander1 on Jun 12, 2017 15:50:01 GMT -5
The community split is a great point.
I think this all could be somewhat moot at this point, with the announcement of go live on August 8th. We're obviously going to wipe for that so...
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Post by don on Jun 12, 2017 16:06:57 GMT -5
this is like ark reddit 50% of the posts are, we should wipe on release XD wipe post incoming, a big debate on that. i like the cross ark idea but tbh if it can be taking into consideration people that want it should spend time in elaborating a plan for it, how will it work and how it can affect the other server and then admins will take that into consideration. : ) Ragnarok hype i want my griffon. I am in favor with anything the admins decide since they are the ones that get all the complains and have a harder time playing since people are always asking for help : p
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With that said, higher boots would be part of the discussion. 
I left my 80-something Survivor on Ragnarok, can we transfer our toons to AB or just start afresh? Very Happy to be Baaack!